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	<title>Comments on: Patents and the bright future of open media codecs</title>
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		<title>By: silvia</title>
		<link>http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/02/05/patents-future-open-media-codecs/comment-page-1/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew. I&#039;m glad you&#039;re voicing this issue, because I think many people will have the same opinion. However, I can see Rob&#039;s approach useful in two ways: 

First of all he will make sure to expose all known patents that may be regarded as submarine patents to Theora (or Dirac, or even OMS). The problem is not that these patents are not known. The problem is that nobody wants to point their fingers at them for fear of waking up sleeping beasts. But if it is done in the right way and any potential claims are refuted by a multitude of lawyers before a claim can even be raised, then this will help attack fears.

Secondly, Rob is not just looking at open codecs. He is also looking at the longer history of patents in video (and possibly audio) coding and expose patents that are claimed on licensed technology but which are invalid because of prior art. In this way, it may be possible to turn some of the existing proprietary codecs into open codecs.

Lastly I should mention that an open collection of evaluated patents and prior art in media will be of tremendous value towards creating new codecs, which can then more easily avoid patent traps and more easily claim patent-freedom from the start of their existence.

Yes, it is an enormous effort, and yes, we can never be sure that it is fully done and that all submarine patents have been found. But if we regard the topic of SCO and the complexity of that case and the involvement of lawyers with it, I think there is a large chance that Rob can achieve the task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re voicing this issue, because I think many people will have the same opinion. However, I can see Rob&#8217;s approach useful in two ways: </p>
<p>First of all he will make sure to expose all known patents that may be regarded as submarine patents to Theora (or Dirac, or even OMS). The problem is not that these patents are not known. The problem is that nobody wants to point their fingers at them for fear of waking up sleeping beasts. But if it is done in the right way and any potential claims are refuted by a multitude of lawyers before a claim can even be raised, then this will help attack fears.</p>
<p>Secondly, Rob is not just looking at open codecs. He is also looking at the longer history of patents in video (and possibly audio) coding and expose patents that are claimed on licensed technology but which are invalid because of prior art. In this way, it may be possible to turn some of the existing proprietary codecs into open codecs.</p>
<p>Lastly I should mention that an open collection of evaluated patents and prior art in media will be of tremendous value towards creating new codecs, which can then more easily avoid patent traps and more easily claim patent-freedom from the start of their existence.</p>
<p>Yes, it is an enormous effort, and yes, we can never be sure that it is fully done and that all submarine patents have been found. But if we regard the topic of SCO and the complexity of that case and the involvement of lawyers with it, I think there is a large chance that Rob can achieve the task.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Rob, I do not see how his idea can resolve the problem of companies claiming &quot;submarine patents!!&quot; whenever the topic of Ogg Theora is brought up.  Patents are filed by each individual country, so creating a database would have to incorporate every single country and examine prior art on a case by case basis.  In the end, will we be at a point any further than we are now, where the W3C would recommend (not mandate) Ogg Theora for the video tag and where Firefox, Opera, and Safari distribute Theora playback, yet corporate entities defy open standards to prop up their own invested interests in video codecs?  I think such a database would not solve anything.  What we need is a grassroots movement to put Ogg Theora video online using the  tag, and the corporate entities will be compelled to follow once they see the emerging market.  Let&#039;s not seek permission to do what we know is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Rob, I do not see how his idea can resolve the problem of companies claiming &#8220;submarine patents!!&#8221; whenever the topic of Ogg Theora is brought up.  Patents are filed by each individual country, so creating a database would have to incorporate every single country and examine prior art on a case by case basis.  In the end, will we be at a point any further than we are now, where the W3C would recommend (not mandate) Ogg Theora for the video tag and where Firefox, Opera, and Safari distribute Theora playback, yet corporate entities defy open standards to prop up their own invested interests in video codecs?  I think such a database would not solve anything.  What we need is a grassroots movement to put Ogg Theora video online using the  tag, and the corporate entities will be compelled to follow once they see the emerging market.  Let&#8217;s not seek permission to do what we know is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Issues Top Open Media Goals - Rob Glidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Issues Top Open Media Goals - Rob Glidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted in &#8220;Patents and the bright future of open media codecs&#8221;, the FOMS group has set aside 15% of its budget to support patent [...]</description>
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